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		<title>By: Steve &#38; Amanda</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7312</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve &#38; Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tks for the linkage...im totally looking forward to shooting your guys&#039; wedding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tks for the linkage&#8230;im totally looking forward to shooting your guys&#8217; wedding!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Escapa's OneNote Blog : March 2008 blog round-up</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7272</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Escapa's OneNote Blog : March 2008 blog round-up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zackhensley</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7154</link>
		<dc:creator>zackhensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DANG IT!! that&#039;s what I get for typing fast! 

yeah I appreciate your prospective. I&#039;ve was the Night watch security along with other things at IHOP for 6 years. dealt with many things where the receivers of my actions got offended because they didn&#039;t know the whole story so I understand that there is probably more going on that what meets the eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DANG IT!! that&#8217;s what I get for typing fast! </p>
<p>yeah I appreciate your prospective. I&#8217;ve was the Night watch security along with other things at IHOP for 6 years. dealt with many things where the receivers of my actions got offended because they didn&#8217;t know the whole story so I understand that there is probably more going on that what meets the eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zack said:

&quot;We brought guitars and rums...&quot;

I knew it!  Lousy drunkard...

P.S.  I didn&#039;t mean to start a debate.  Just sharing an insider&#039;s perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack said:</p>
<p>&#8220;We brought guitars and rums&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I knew it!  Lousy drunkard&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S.  I didn&#8217;t mean to start a debate.  Just sharing an insider&#8217;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: mbaker</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7151</link>
		<dc:creator>mbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting how times have changed, but teenagers haven&#039;t.  When I was a kid (last week), we were raised in a very conservative area in the south.  However, secretly we couldn&#039;t wait to try out booze and cigarettes, because it was a sign of being a grown-up to our generation. But in those days cops assumed the best.  

They never checked our red cups, if we were dressed in conservative style, nor did they question our exuberance at being teenagers, because they just assumed we were doing what teenagers naturally do.  However, we were taught respect, and that these risks involved serious consequences, if we did get caught.  

I did get busted with a beer in my hand on one occasion, by a friend of my father&#039;s, who was a cop.  My friends and I weren&#039;t  arrested, but turned over to our parents, which as TJ said above, was an even worse fate. I was grounded for a month, couldn&#039;t receive any phone calls from my partners in crime, or have any contact with them at school.  

Our teachers were also made aware of all that as well. I couldn&#039;t play in varsity basketball games for that month either, though at the time I was a starting guard. I also had to do all the household chores, that my sisters and  I usually  did together, by myself for a month. Man, did I get tired of doing dishes after every meal, and and doing all their washing and ironing. Every day that beer seemed less and less worth it.

I think the lack of personal responsibility on the part of so many parents nowadays  in controlling what they were meant by God to control, i.e. the main discipline and punishment of their underage children, is in large part responsible for law enforcement being forced to act as surrogate moms and dads in some of these matters you mentioned above. Unfortunately, the growing number of indifferent and/or irresponsible parents more often raise children who are taught they are either society&#039;s martyrs or its victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how times have changed, but teenagers haven&#8217;t.  When I was a kid (last week), we were raised in a very conservative area in the south.  However, secretly we couldn&#8217;t wait to try out booze and cigarettes, because it was a sign of being a grown-up to our generation. But in those days cops assumed the best.  </p>
<p>They never checked our red cups, if we were dressed in conservative style, nor did they question our exuberance at being teenagers, because they just assumed we were doing what teenagers naturally do.  However, we were taught respect, and that these risks involved serious consequences, if we did get caught.  </p>
<p>I did get busted with a beer in my hand on one occasion, by a friend of my father&#8217;s, who was a cop.  My friends and I weren&#8217;t  arrested, but turned over to our parents, which as TJ said above, was an even worse fate. I was grounded for a month, couldn&#8217;t receive any phone calls from my partners in crime, or have any contact with them at school.  </p>
<p>Our teachers were also made aware of all that as well. I couldn&#8217;t play in varsity basketball games for that month either, though at the time I was a starting guard. I also had to do all the household chores, that my sisters and  I usually  did together, by myself for a month. Man, did I get tired of doing dishes after every meal, and and doing all their washing and ironing. Every day that beer seemed less and less worth it.</p>
<p>I think the lack of personal responsibility on the part of so many parents nowadays  in controlling what they were meant by God to control, i.e. the main discipline and punishment of their underage children, is in large part responsible for law enforcement being forced to act as surrogate moms and dads in some of these matters you mentioned above. Unfortunately, the growing number of indifferent and/or irresponsible parents more often raise children who are taught they are either society&#8217;s martyrs or its victims.</p>
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		<title>By: zackhensley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok ok... I didn&#039;t tell the whole story. Yes to do this was to disrespect authority. I presented the story wrong. I don&#039;t condone disrespecting authority in this way. 

However, this was in response to a number of unjustices done by school officials and the authorities in that area. members of the local football team had been suspended from school because of pictures of them with red plastic cups in their hands. No one asked what was in the cups, just suspended them. 

The kid was just wanting to show that not ALL kids drink alcohol at parties. 

I relate to him because when I was in highschool I never drank, did drugs, or smoked, yet school officials and cops always assumed when me and my friends were out that we did. I remember one time in Highschool the school Christian club I lead went out to have a legal bonefire out by the Salt River in Phoenix. We brought guitars and rums, and had a worship service, and we had soda in red cups. The cops showed up made us all get on our bellies with our hands on our heads and searched every bag, car, guitar case and patted us all down. Because they assumed teenagers having fun equals drinking. 

This kid was merely wanted to prove that that isn&#039;t always true. For that I stand by that fact that this was indeed a brilliant plan to do just that. Might been over the top and wrong, but brilliant by brilliant&#039;s definition. 

I understand now that teenagers being loud in a house usually does equal drinking. I understand that cops have every reason to assume that, but there are exceptions. I just liked how this young man had the forth right to do something about what he felt was wrong. 

If I was his leader I would tell him he was wrong. I would tell him he deserves whatever punishment he receives. I would have told him, &quot;your zeal was good, your follow through lacked wisdom.&quot; 

which is what I think about this story. 

Sorry for communicating anything else, I&#039;ll take note and remedy that in the future. 

.::zackhensley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok ok&#8230; I didn&#8217;t tell the whole story. Yes to do this was to disrespect authority. I presented the story wrong. I don&#8217;t condone disrespecting authority in this way. </p>
<p>However, this was in response to a number of unjustices done by school officials and the authorities in that area. members of the local football team had been suspended from school because of pictures of them with red plastic cups in their hands. No one asked what was in the cups, just suspended them. </p>
<p>The kid was just wanting to show that not ALL kids drink alcohol at parties. </p>
<p>I relate to him because when I was in highschool I never drank, did drugs, or smoked, yet school officials and cops always assumed when me and my friends were out that we did. I remember one time in Highschool the school Christian club I lead went out to have a legal bonefire out by the Salt River in Phoenix. We brought guitars and rums, and had a worship service, and we had soda in red cups. The cops showed up made us all get on our bellies with our hands on our heads and searched every bag, car, guitar case and patted us all down. Because they assumed teenagers having fun equals drinking. </p>
<p>This kid was merely wanted to prove that that isn&#8217;t always true. For that I stand by that fact that this was indeed a brilliant plan to do just that. Might been over the top and wrong, but brilliant by brilliant&#8217;s definition. </p>
<p>I understand now that teenagers being loud in a house usually does equal drinking. I understand that cops have every reason to assume that, but there are exceptions. I just liked how this young man had the forth right to do something about what he felt was wrong. </p>
<p>If I was his leader I would tell him he was wrong. I would tell him he deserves whatever punishment he receives. I would have told him, &#8220;your zeal was good, your follow through lacked wisdom.&#8221; </p>
<p>which is what I think about this story. </p>
<p>Sorry for communicating anything else, I&#8217;ll take note and remedy that in the future. </p>
<p>.::zackhensley</p>
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		<title>By: TJSmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how did the parents respond to this issue? Was there parental punishment to the child or did they laugh at it as well? 

I&#039;ll tell you what, if I had done something like that in my day may dad would have gotten the belt out and would have said, &quot;If you are going to act like a child then you&#039;ll get punished as one.&quot; BAM! Spare not the rod, boys and girls!

Did the cops need to ransack the house? Probably not, all they needed to do was test the keg and told the party kids to quiet it down unless it was past the city ordinance of how much noise can be made up to a certain time of night. 

There was unbalance on both sides but if the high schooler was doing it on purpose to see what the police would do or act, very wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how did the parents respond to this issue? Was there parental punishment to the child or did they laugh at it as well? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what, if I had done something like that in my day may dad would have gotten the belt out and would have said, &#8220;If you are going to act like a child then you&#8217;ll get punished as one.&#8221; BAM! Spare not the rod, boys and girls!</p>
<p>Did the cops need to ransack the house? Probably not, all they needed to do was test the keg and told the party kids to quiet it down unless it was past the city ordinance of how much noise can be made up to a certain time of night. </p>
<p>There was unbalance on both sides but if the high schooler was doing it on purpose to see what the police would do or act, very wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: mbaker</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7143</link>
		<dc:creator>mbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I think also it is a sign of the growing disrespect people in this country have about law enforcement in general.  It sounds as if they were deliberately trying to make fools out of these cops, and wasting their valuable time when they have been doing much more important things.  I for one think it&#039;s far more a sign of the irresponsibility and arrogance of the boy who thought up what you call a &quot;brilliant caper&quot;, and certainly I think a very poor example for someone in Godly leadership over young men and young women to be promoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I think also it is a sign of the growing disrespect people in this country have about law enforcement in general.  It sounds as if they were deliberately trying to make fools out of these cops, and wasting their valuable time when they have been doing much more important things.  I for one think it&#8217;s far more a sign of the irresponsibility and arrogance of the boy who thought up what you call a &#8220;brilliant caper&#8221;, and certainly I think a very poor example for someone in Godly leadership over young men and young women to be promoting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7142</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I see!  This happened in Wisconsin, not KC.  Cheeseheads...

Though, it appears the officers responded to a neighbor complaint of too many cars in the road.  So, the officers weren&#039;t &quot;hunting&quot; or being &quot;overly suspicious&quot;, but responding to a nuisance complaint that turned into an apparent under-age drinking party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I see!  This happened in Wisconsin, not KC.  Cheeseheads&#8230;</p>
<p>Though, it appears the officers responded to a neighbor complaint of too many cars in the road.  So, the officers weren&#8217;t &#8220;hunting&#8221; or being &#8220;overly suspicious&#8221;, but responding to a nuisance complaint that turned into an apparent under-age drinking party.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
		<link>http://zackhensley.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/random-rantings-saturday/#comment-7141</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...  I don&#039;t know how the fuzz roll in KC, but typically cops don&#039;t hunt for keggers, especially in busier areas.  Most busted parties get ratted out by a neighbor or a jilted, uninvited, peer.  I&#039;m willing to bet there&#039;s more to this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;  I don&#8217;t know how the fuzz roll in KC, but typically cops don&#8217;t hunt for keggers, especially in busier areas.  Most busted parties get ratted out by a neighbor or a jilted, uninvited, peer.  I&#8217;m willing to bet there&#8217;s more to this story.</p>
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